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December 25, 2003
Innocence
I found many things on this thread that do not behoove the intelligent people on Hashkafah.com.
I have a major problem with the attitude of this kitty character. I agree with kitty that parents are in pain when a child slips from the minhugim accepted in the family. However, when there’s the future of a child at stake, parents need to learn what is important and what is not. Vus is vichtig in vus is nisht; m’tur nisht vern tzimisht. While the child may be wrong, isn’t it preferable that s/he give up on some minhogim and keep the rest, rather than be pressured to keep the minhogim which will, in all likelihood, cause the child to go completely off the derech?
Why is it a halbe tzura when a bucher still wears the levush? Do you think bucherim with gekreiselte peies don’t go into clubs? Do you think bucherim with gekreiselte peies do less averios then the ones without?
The beauty of a jew might be his innocence; but you can’t force innocence onto a person. “Why don’t you just find glory in the place you belong?” (kitty) Where do I belong? If you claim I belong in the community I was born into, what if the community doesn’t have any glory? Excuse me very much but a community where the rav is busy every shalosh seudos with protesting Zionism or the Eiruv, when in his Beis Medrash listening to him sit the parents of a boy who is ‘dating’ the daughter of another mispalel, is a community of no beauty. Don’t get me wrong, I am not a Zionist, very far from it, but why are our Rabbonim busy with Zionism going on in the other end of the world and hardly directly affecting any of us, when he should be busy with ways to improve our Chinuch system?
Some more kitty: “Our parents were smarter than we are nowadays. Don’t look for a new derech. Also, most of the people who try to find a derech, end up either having charata or return at one point.” Our parents, or grandparents, also lived in a different world. They didn’t live in a world with the temptations that we have today. They also didn’t have the internet to contend with. And I believe, maybe someone can find sources, that the intelligent ones always asked questions. The difference is that back then the mechanchim and rebeim were able to answer the questions and erase all doubt, nowadays, the Rabbonim are busy with more important things then basic hashkafah and helping teens with questions. As to your second point, I have to echo everyone else’s, it seems you don’t know many people who’ve tried another derech.
As for the ones who ‘return’, maybe it is because of something else you mentioned. “I personally [know] somebody. Originally heimish chassidish. Became a bit modern, but still chassidish. Has such a problem w/ shiddichim now. Does not know what he wants, doesn’t belong anywhere. He’s all [ungezetzt].” If someone ‘returns’ because of shiddichim, and I know some who did, what kind of return is that? They still don’t believe in anything. But people like you are satisfied that they’re ‘back’.
Why does such a person have such problems with shidduchim? Because he’s a bit modern? If I read you correctly, a bit modern means he doesn’t always daven with a hat on and trims his beard and ‘looks modern’ etc., the same person is also very likely to be very strong in his Yiddishkeit. If he wasn’t very strong in his Yiddishkeit, he’d be completely off by now. He’s an outcast anyway. But no, he knows where he stands and sticks to what he believes in. He might be ungezezt because of the rules of our great society, but it is people like you that are really ungezetzt. If you had asked questions, and gotten answers, you’d have had a taam in what you do. Take a look here at this simple explanation for the lamed tes melochos and tell me you wouldn’t have been better off knowing it. But it’s not taught in satmar, because here we have a different set of priorities, here we don’t need hashkafah, we have mesorah. Here we don’t have to worry about reason for doing anything, everyone does it anyway. Oh, and the ones that don’t; the ones that are mechalel Shabbos and don’t put on tefilin, don’t worry about them, as long as they keep the levush you’ll never know about it anyway. His father won’t get help because he’s worried about shiddichem so the secret is safe.
Kitty, Mindy was right when she told you Hashkafah.com is not for you. Because you might not have the answers, but we believe we have the right to ask the questions. If you ARE innocent, get out of here and stay that way.
Posted by notepad at December 25, 2003 01:42 PM
Comments
bucherim are very good for the most part. i like most of them alot, even the ones with out the greatest looks. the more the merrier and this is lowering their ego. go guys- we all love you
Posted by: boyy at August 22, 2005 05:12 PM